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什麼是天主教及基督教的信仰?

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beebeechan 2025/7/31 22:09
神默示信徒寫,呢樣野好難解釋俾你啲比較低智嘅人去明。
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/7/31 21:52


咁等你明咗先解釋俾人聽喇
唔使咁急急回帖架喎
beebeechan 2025/7/31 22:09

以上呢堆野, 全部都係罵街野,
乜唔係「唯獨聖經」咩....經上有冇章節說明你呢堆野係岩既呢…

老師我每個理據都有經有據, 有出處架喎。你學下喇。
beebeechan 2025/7/31 22:48
我就不嬲從來話冇需再獻祭㗎啦,大祭司獻完一次永遠嘅贖罪祭之後就坐低㗎啦........但總之大祭司獻完一次永遠嘅贖罪祭之後我就無需每年每日獻㗎啦。
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/7/31 21:52


既然你都唔需要獻祭,耶穌一次搞定晒。
嗯....咁你仲講人人皆司祭托咩...
咁你「祭」乜野?

好比話..嗱, 依家一人一票有普選勒...
可惜阿李生封咗做終身特首架喇...咁一人一票都無用, 仲選乜。
呢啲比喻, 你黃絲會易明白。
jimmychauck 2025/7/31 23:14
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回覆 223# beebeechan

正一玻離心,指出你唔啱嘅地方就叫罵街?罵街你咪唔好覆,等大家覺得你有理。
你唔識回就算啦。
jimmychauck 2025/7/31 23:15
回覆 224# beebeechan

我唔係彼得,你唔好搞錯,有咩唔啱你自己通靈同佢講四四六六拆掂佢。
beebeechan 2025/7/31 23:18
乜以色列人舊時日日獻祭㗎咩?
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/7/31 21:52



真係日日要獻祭喎

戶藉紀 28:3
上主訓示梅瑟說:       
「你吩咐以色列子民說:你們應在規定的時期內,準時將獻給我的供物──我的食品,焚化為中悅我的馨香火祭獻給我。你對他們說:這是你們應獻給上主的火祭:每天應獻兩隻一歲無瑕的公羔羊,做日常的全燔祭:

唔止日日要獻祭, 仲係一早一晚都要。 睇下肋未紀喇。
你真係舊約知的少。

你呢啲新教徒, 正一華山派岳不群, 只睇半部葵花寶典出嚟既辟邪劍法。
你睇既半部經, 唔係唯獨聖經, 係把經違讀。
beebeechan 2025/7/31 23:19
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係咪因為耶穌被釘,帳幔裂開,你自己返去睇返佢啲書信啦。我冇講過兩者有因果,我呢刻亦未諗到兩者有冇因果,
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/7/31 21:52


呢句仲搞笑。
帳幔係把人神隔開呀...無錯


咁唔係耶穌在十字架的救贖把這隔膜打破咩? 經上講明是耶穌斷氣時帳幔裂開啵。

唔通真係沙文咁講, 係日久失修, 咁岩係嗰日裂開咗?

你講啲咁野, 仲算唔算係基督徒。
慕道抽水都比你懂得多咁啵。
jimmychauck 2025/7/31 23:22
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回覆 227# beebeechan

又話人罵街你仲答?
唔答晒咪即係唔識答囉。

點解舊約嘅野黎到新約又生效嘅?你割左包皮未?
人地係食飯,又唔係獻祭。
乜以色列人舊時日日獻祭㗎咩?
嗱嗱嗱,棋盤內車無輪馬無彊呀,瑪納安息日係冇得收㗎,你地天主教徒又點解淨係安息日先去領聖體?SLDPK
jimmychauck 2025/7/31 23:24
回覆 228# beebeechan
抽水識得多過我佢唔會連邏輯都唔敢同我講啦。
beebeechan 2025/7/31 23:24
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回覆  beebeechan

又話人罵街你仲答?
唔答晒咪即係答唔晒囉。
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/7/31 23:22


弊在回少啲都俾你唱我唔識答你囉....你high到上iCloud
beebeechan 2025/7/31 23:26
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回覆  beebeechan
抽水識得多過我佢唔會連邏輯都唔敢同我講啦。
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/7/31 23:24



    因為佢有,你冇, 咪唔同你講卦
正如要沙文同你講潛水心得, 佢都無引喇
jimmychauck 2025/7/31 23:34
回覆 231# beebeechan

我每樣質疑都係獨立於其他質疑㗎啦,你回唔晒咪即係有回應唔到嘅質疑囉,咪事實認定錯誤囉。
賊佬射你三槍你避彈衣擋左一槍你就唔洗死?你犯左五樣致死嘅罪,告解左一樣就上到天堂?
你回唔到咪回唔到囉,大隻講。
jimmychauck 2025/7/31 23:35
回覆 232# beebeechan

因為我有佢冇佢先唔敢講之嘛,吖你藍絲乜都鍾意掉轉黎講。
jimmychauck 2025/7/31 23:58
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回覆 228# beebeechan

睇左好耐,終於明你喺度戇緊咩鳩。

首先你就斷章刪走頭果句。
人人皆祭司係你個第一任教皇講㗎。係咪因為耶穌被釘,帳幔裂開,你自己返去睇返佢啲書信啦。我冇講過兩者有因果,我呢刻亦未諗到兩者有冇因果,
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/7/31 21:52


我講嘅兩者,前者係人人皆祭司,後者係耶穌被釘+帳幔裂開。

你講到耶穌被釘, 帳幔裂開, 於是人人皆司祭矣。
beebeechan 發表於 2025/7/31 20:39

個兩者係你提出㗎

耶穌被釘+帳幔裂開==>人人皆祭司。呢個戇鳩推論係你推落黎我口㗎嘛,宜家咪同你講個戇鳩理論關我叉事囉。
人人皆祭司係你個第一任教皇講㗎,你反呢句首先反左佢,我排隊都未到俾你反呀,你當我係第一任教皇我就教皇無誤你同我收皮。

你又唔記得自己講乜,又要藍絲講唔過人就轉話題。自己講嘅野全無擔當記性,護教一味迴避人地問題,你呢啲叫做正式錄用嘅天主教徒?

沙文同網主兩個人都從來指出唔到我有咩邏輯錯誤(明明謬誤列表我第一次見到就喺本網),橫掂你都覺得佢地可能得救,你埋去同佢地抱團啦。
beebeechan 2025/8/1 01:34
人人皆祭司係你個第一任教皇講㗎
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/7/31 23:58



你又錯勒。 人人皆司祭唔係伯多祿創出嚟。 佢只係複述出谷紀19章天主訓示梅瑟, 要佢去轉話的一句:

出谷紀 19:6
但你們為我應成為司祭的國家,聖潔的國民。你應將這些話訓示以色列子民。」

耶穌未救贖前已經係人人皆司祭, 不過, 天主仍要肋未人當司祭喎。
即是人人皆司祭時, 不是人人都可以做獻祭的祭司。
正如今日, 人人皆司祭時, 仍要神父當獻祭的祭司。
新教就係千方百計咁想話我哋唔需要神父, 唔需要教宗, 唔需要彌撒, 唔需要聖體, 唔需要神父做告解聖事!!! 五大需要, 有一不可。
beebeechan 2025/8/1 06:06
你地天主教徒又點解淨係安息日先去領聖體?
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/7/31 21:52

新教先係週日有崇拜, 牧師一週只做一日, 6日休息。

天主教係每日都有彌撒既, 鼓勵教友每日都參與彌撒。


呢間堂仲一日兩場。

你好唔識天主教既野.....道聽牧師塗說
jimmychauck 2025/8/1 06:21
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喂你唔識回果啲,回左先,一味開新話題即係轉話題唔識答。

回覆 236# beebeechan
你又錯勒。 人人皆司祭唔係伯多祿創出嚟。 佢只係複述出谷紀19章天主訓示梅瑟, 要佢去轉話的一句:

出谷紀 19:6
但你們為我應成為司祭的國家,聖潔的國民。你應將這些話訓示以色列子民。」
beebeechan 發表於 2025/8/1 01:34

啲野唔係彼得發明,佢為出埃及記背書,就唔代表佢冇講,更加唔代表佢反對或唔認同。

作祭司的國度呢,就根本唔係人人皆祭司,聖經都講得好清楚只有利未支派先係祭司啦,係喺萬民中作唯一有祭司的國。等萬國可以黎以色列朝拜啫。

就要在萬民中作屬我的子民,因為全地都是我的。你們要歸我作祭司的國度,為聖潔的國民。』


咩叫"耶穌未救贖前已經係人人皆司祭, 不過, 天主仍要肋未人當司祭喎",作得就作

即是人人皆司祭時, 不是人人都可以做獻祭的祭司。
正如今日, 人人皆司祭時, 仍要神父當獻祭的祭司。
beebeechan 發表於 2025/8/1 01:34


你好似對舊約好有研究咁喎,咁你唔知祭係分開贖罪之祭同馨香之祭㗎咩?

贖罪之祭我講左N次,大祭司獻完一次永遠嘅贖罪祭之後就坐低㗎啦。你成日話要咩神父司祭星期日先獻得果啲,到底係咩祭?贖罪祭就一早獻完啦,按你咁講即係果啲咩將身體獻上當作活祭果啲就神父司祭先有資格做啦,一般信徒唔俾做啦?

同埋彼得嘅原話都同出埃及記有出入㗎,彼得係話信徒係有君尊嘅祭司嘛,舊約以色列人君王同祭司一定要分開㗎啦。
你天主教咁鍾意喺神耶穌同人中間插個身入黎,根本就係存心要將人同耶穌隔絕,叫人信你唔係信耶穌,所以咪洗腦左一批教會講乜都聽,聖經講乜都當乞嗤嘅張口就來信徒囉。

有基督的血洗淨我嘅罪,我呢,就坦然進入至聖所,你咪繼續喺出面攬住啲咩神父教宗彌撒聖體告解囉。

喂係咪犯左致於死嘅罪就基督嘅血無效必須揾神父告解否則落地獄?從以前開始問左你好多次啦,你捨得答未?


其實成條問題,我一問gemini,個prompt冇任何我想要嘅內容提示,佢都答晒我講嘅野出黎啦。
咪一樣係話,信徒皆祭司,獻靈祭唔係贖罪祭,新舊約有分別,啲野新約先應驗囉。
你完全無視聖經文本意思,詮釋嘅方法,一味照搬天主教教你嘅,你根本就俾人洗左腦。

Q: does 1 peter 2:9 royal priesthood comes from exodus 19:6?

A: Yes, there is a direct and significant connection between 1 Peter 2:9 and Exodus 19:6. In 1 Peter 2:9, the Apostle Peter is quoting from and re-applying the language originally used by God to describe the nation of Israel in the Old Testament.

Let's look at the two passages side-by-side:


  • Exodus 19:6: "and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation."
  • 1 Peter 2:9: "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light."


Peter is explicitly taking the titles and promises given to Israel and applying them to New Testament believers, both Jews and Gentiles, who are now part of the Church. This shows a powerful theological continuity and fulfillment.

The Significance of this Connection:


  • Corporate Identity: In the Old Testament, God chose the nation of Israel to be his special people. Peter declares that the Church—the community of believers in Christ—is now this "chosen race" and "holy nation."
  • Priesthood of All Believers: In the Old Covenant, a specific group of people (the Levites and descendants of Aaron) were designated as priests to mediate between God and the people. The promise in Exodus 19:6, that the entire nation would be a "kingdom of priests," was an ideal that found its ultimate fulfillment in the New Covenant. In Christ, all believers have direct access to God and are called to serve as priests.
  • Purpose: Both passages share a common purpose: to "proclaim the excellencies" of God. Israel was meant to be a light to the nations, demonstrating God's character and truth. In the New Testament, the Church's priestly function is to bear witness to the world about the saving work of Christ, who called them out of darkness into light.


In short, Peter uses the language of Exodus 19:6 to demonstrate that the blessings and responsibilities once entrusted to Israel are now fulfilled in the multi-ethnic, global body of Christ.

Q: so why not everyone in the kingdom of priests are priests?

A: The premise of your question—"why not everyone in the kingdom of priests are priests?"—is based on a misunderstanding of what "priesthood" means in the context of the New Testament. The biblical teaching is that every single person within the "kingdom of priests" is a priest.

The confusion often arises from contrasting the New Testament understanding of priesthood with the Old Testament model or with a hierarchical model found in some modern church traditions.

Let's break down the two main points:

1. The Priesthood of All Believers
The phrase "royal priesthood" in 1 Peter 2:9 refers to what is known in Christian theology as the "priesthood of all believers." This concept teaches that every Christian has direct access to God through Jesus Christ, who is our ultimate and only High Priest.

This is a radical departure from the Old Covenant system where:

Only a select few (the descendants of Aaron from the tribe of Levi) were priests.

The priests had a specific, mediating function: offering animal sacrifices and incense on behalf of the people to God.

Only the High Priest could enter the Holy of Holies once a year.

In the New Covenant, through the work of Jesus, all of that changes. The Old Covenant priesthood is now obsolete because Jesus's one-time sacrifice was perfect and sufficient. As a result, the New Testament teaches that all believers share in a spiritual priesthood.

2. The Role and Functions of the New Testament Priest
If every Christian is a priest, what is their function? It's not to offer animal sacrifices, but to offer "spiritual sacrifices" (1 Peter 2:5). These sacrifices include:


  • Offering our bodies as a living sacrifice (Romans 12:1).
  • Praising and worshiping God (Hebrews 13:15).
  • Doing good and sharing with others (Hebrews 13:16).
  • Interceding in prayer for others.

Therefore, according to the New Testament, there is no longer a special class of people (like the Old Testament priests) who act as mediators between God and other believers. The entire community of Christians is the "kingdom of priests" and every member has the privilege and responsibility to perform these spiritual priestly functions.

So, to answer your question directly: everyone in the "kingdom of priests" is a priest in the New Testament sense of the word. They may not hold the specific office of an elder, pastor, or deacon, which are leadership and teaching roles, but they all share in the common priesthood established by Christ.

Q: the kingdom of priests is in old testament exodus, why not everyone in the old testament kingdom of priests a priest?

A: That is an excellent and very perceptive question. It highlights a key distinction between the Old Testament ideal and its practical application, which is then fulfilled in the New Testament.

In the Old Testament, the "kingdom of priests" in Exodus 19:6 had two meanings:

1. The Corporate, National Priesthood (Ideal)
When God told Israel they would be a "kingdom of priests," he was giving them a corporate mission and identity. This meant the entire nation of Israel, as a whole, was to function as a priestly nation to the rest of the world.

Their role: To mediate the knowledge of the one true God to all other nations.

Their purpose: By living according to God's holy law, they were to be a visible testament to God's character and power, showing the world what it meant to have a relationship with the divine. They were to be a beacon of light, drawing other nations to worship God.

In this sense, every Israelite was part of this collective, national priesthood.

2. The Functional, Cultic Priesthood (Reality)
While the entire nation had this high calling, God immediately instituted a specific, functional priesthood for the purpose of ritual and sacrifice. This role was reserved exclusively for the descendants of Aaron from the tribe of Levi.

Their role: To perform the official duties of the Tabernacle and later the Temple. They were the ones who offered animal sacrifices, burned incense, and mediated between a holy God and a sinful people.

The reason for the distinction: The establishment of this specific priestly class was a direct result of humanity's sin and God's absolute holiness. The rest of the nation was not holy enough to handle the sacred objects or perform the rites of atonement. God's holiness was so intense that direct contact could be fatal. The Aaronic priesthood acted as a barrier and a mediator, protecting the people from God's holiness while protecting God's holiness from the people's sinfulness.

A clear example of this tension is found in Exodus 32. After God makes the promise in Exodus 19, the Israelites immediately sin by worshiping the golden calf. This event demonstrates their unholiness and the urgent need for a dedicated, mediating priesthood.

The Fulfillment in the New Testament
The New Testament teaches that Jesus Christ, as our perfect High Priest, fulfills both of these roles.

He is the single, ultimate priest who offered a perfect, once-and-for-all sacrifice, making the Aaronic priesthood obsolete.

Because of His perfect sacrifice, every believer is now made holy in Him. This holiness allows the ideal of the "kingdom of priests" from Exodus 19:6 to finally be realized. Every Christian can now approach God directly and shares in the corporate mission of being a priestly nation, representing God to the world.
jimmychauck 2025/8/1 06:22
回覆 237# beebeechan

你呢帖全部都係罵街野。
beebeechan 2025/8/1 06:50
祭司就不嬲舊約都一堆㗎啦。
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/7/31 21:52


無錯,舊約裡司祭係一堆。 不過呢堆唔係指一般以色列民, 獨指肋未人啵。

出谷紀19:6既然講到以以列民是司祭的民族, 點解仲要搞出「另一堆司祭」。。
明顯, 呢「另一堆司祭」不同「人人皆司祭」,, 係有特殊職責。
beebeechan 2025/8/1 06:55
其實成條問題,我一問gemini,
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/8/1 06:21



    乜無話可說到要搵gemini , 搵都唔緊要, 仲要有字搬字, 不用過腦
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