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45From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land. 46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi,[c] lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"[d] 47When some of those standing there heard this, they said, "He's calling Elijah." 48Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink. 49The rest said, "Now leave him alone. Let's see if Elijah comes to save him." 50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. 51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. 52The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people. 54When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son[e] of God!" 55Many women were there, watching from a distance. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his needs. 56Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's sons. ----------- No checking in Mathew ----------- 33At the sixth hour darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour. 34And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"[c] 35When some of those standing near heard this, they said, "Listen, he's calling Elijah." 36One man ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink. "Now leave him alone. Let's see if Elijah comes to take him down," he said. 37With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last. 38The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. 39And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, heard his cry and[d] saw how he died, he said, "Surely this man was the Son[e] of God!" 40Some women were watching from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome. 41In Galilee these women had followed him and cared for his needs. Many other women who had come up with him to Jerusalem were also there. ---------------- No check provided --------------- Jesus' Death 44It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour, 45for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last. 47The centurion, seeing what had happened, praised God and said, "Surely this was a righteous man." 48When all the people who had gathered to witness this sight saw what took place, they beat their breasts and went away. 49But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things. ---------- No check provided ---------- 31Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. 32The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other. 33But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe. 36These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: "Not one of his bones will be broken," 37and, as another scripture says, "They will look on the one they have pierced."[c] ----------- He is not testifying Jesus is dead. Besides, he is only a soldier, not medically trained. Think about how high the cross is, did the soldier even take his pulse? Or check if he is faintly breathing? He just "look" dead, just like anyone in coma. | |
12The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it. 15On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, 16and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. 17And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written: " 'My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations'[c]? But you have made it 'a den of robbers.'[d]" | |
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如果你付了命去買貨，後來又拿回命，你能同時拿貨不放嗎? 你是選擇性失明，看不見昨天付了$，還是選擇性失明，看不見今天已拿回(即沒有付)。 | |
You've said it. That soldier acts to testify the death of Jesus. ***Besides, he is only a soldier, not medically trained.*** How do you know? We too have medical soldiers now and then. ***刑事毁壞罪*** 1. God owns the tree. He has the right to do whatever He sees fit to it. 2. God owns the temple. He has the right to say who is welcome and who is not. 3. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches..... Might not have broken or damaged the tables and the benches. 「正確來說救贖是要用沒有罪的血。不是活人祭」 VS 「唔得，罪的公價是死。要死。」 So? Can't you see the different? 救贖要用血和罪的公價是死沒有抵觸。而且活人祭是主動去殺來獻上，死可以係被動的被獻上和死。 | |
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當時羅馬兵何來醫學水平? 他沒有探鼻息，沒有探脈。連當時能做的也未必有做！證詞和旁觀者何異? 證詞是旁觀者出，他以羅馬兵沒有打斷耶穌的腿來說明耶穌已死。 除以上，仍可能 1) 羅馬兵偷懶 (打斷腿，仍得等他死) 2) 羅馬兵趕時間，一矛刺下應比打斷腿死得快（因為節日，和有富商買下耶穌屍體) 3) 耶穌沒觀眾(打斷耶穌的腿原意是要活受罪，以殺雞儆猴） 不說他們不見得會做足功夫，即使做足功夫，仍是很難肯定一個是否死了。尤其時間是如此短。 http://www.snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/buried.asp ------------ 活人祭不一定主動去殺來獻上，見那之前把女兒獻上上帝的兄台。活人祭制色是把活人弄死祭給神明。 http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh/%E4%BA%BA%E7%A5%AD 人祭（Human sacrifice）是一种古代宗教仪式祭祀，即用人作为祭品来祭祀神灵，与它相似的仪式有动物祭。在整个人类史上，各种文明均发生过用活人祭祀的现象。 | |
＊＊＊如果你付了$去買貨，後來又拿回$，你能同時拿貨不放嗎?＊＊＊ 你們還是分不清沒有死和翻生的分別。死了是一件事，翻生是第二件事。你的例子把它看成了一件事。所以用例不對。 第一個事件： 你付了$去買貨。＄付了，貨是你的。一個交易完結。 第二個事件： 後來又拿回$。 在第一個事件完結後，＄已經是賣家的。所以你不是拿回＄，是從賣家手上拿他的＄。所以你是要給他你的貨。不是還他的貨。所謂的還＄和還貨只是樣我們容易理解。 生命是神的。所以他只是給了第一個生命來還罪的債，再拿第二個生命來用。 | |
有天我去REFUND, 我付了$去買貨。＄付了，貨是我的。一個交易完結。 後來又拿回$。 在第一個事件完結後，＄已經是賣家的。所以你不是拿回＄，是從賣家手上拿他的＄。不是還他的貨。 所以我$、貨兩得。 ------------- 反過來， 我付了$去買貨。＄付了，貨是我的。一個交易完結。 後來我把貨給回他(某些原因)。 店家是有責任退回$。他拿回貨後又拿着$，一般來說是不妥的。 | |
神不嬲都係蝕俾我地架啦。。。。係你地成日話佢衰之嗎。 要佢翻生就真係難為死佢咯 ＊＊＊耶穌犯有刑事毁壞罪＊＊＊ 沒有。 有, 仲有行為不檢罪, 聖经都有記述案發過程 ＊＊＊那耶穌是死得多餘了。輕輕地刺自己兩刀便可以了。要量的天天放一點便可。＊＊＊ 唔得，罪的公價是死。要死。 翻生咗就debit公價啦 ＊＊＊一般說，死不死至少要醫生檢查一下才算。＊＊＊ 耶穌死左之後咪檢查左囉，你有冇睇架？ 教會對於死亡檢定係出名求其嘅 曾有教友在教會失去知覺, 教會負責人不去呼召EMS又不施行急救就私自將教友草草埋葬 大家都很懼怕 , 教會很可能活埋教友 各位返教會前須做body check, 一旦在教會暈低就大媽鍋 | |
＊＊＊當時羅馬兵何來醫學水平?＊＊＊ 看一看當時羅馬人發明的刑具, 它們是如何精密, 如何能使人受最大和最長時間的痛苦才死去(甚至乎死不去). 就可以想像到當時一個羅馬兵丁對痛苦和死亡的認知絶有可能比現在的醫生還多. ＊＊＊他以羅馬兵沒有打斷耶穌的腿來說明耶穌已死。 除以上，仍可能＊＊＊ 請看一看羅馬釘十字架的規則 ＊＊＊要佢翻生就真係難為死佢咯＊＊＊ 係，佢根本就係好為難。但係為左我地佢都做左。可憐仲有人咁义佢。 ＊＊＊有, 仲有行為不檢罪, 聖经都有記述案發過程＊＊＊ 你已經不把死唔去和翻生分清楚，請你不要連時間也一併混淆。你點可以把現代才定下的法律用在古時？ ＊＊＊教會對於死亡檢定係出名求其嘅＊＊＊ 你又中左以偏概全既圈套啦。 ＊＊＊他拿回貨後又拿着$，一般來說是不妥的。＊＊＊ ＊＊＊翻生咗就debit公價啦＊＊＊ 到底要知道翻生和死唔去是兩件事來有幾難？？？我還要解釋多少次？ 你去餐廳吃飯，結算時要付一百元。你付了一百元以後服務員說公司有十周年抽獎。你一抽之下抽中了一百元現金獎。所以你又拿了一百元離開餐廳。我仲可唔可以控告你食霸王餐？ | |
看一看當時羅馬人發明的刑具, 它們是如何精密, 如何能使人受最大和最長時間的痛苦才死去(甚至乎死不去). 就可以想像到當時一個羅馬兵丁對痛苦和死亡的認知絶有可能比現在的醫生還多. 您試過娶一個醫生被她用現代醫用器材逼供講昨晚點解咁夜返但您守口如瓶, 及後改用古羅馬刑具, 您終於忍唔住招供同Lulu嘅姦情咩?講多尐個人感受我們弟兄分享下啦 係，佢根本就係好為難。但係為左我地佢都仲左。可憐仲有人咁义佢。 死咗唔翻生仲難啦, 但佢就係唔得 你已經不把死唔去和翻生分清楚，請你不要連時間也一併混淆。你點可以把現代才定下的法律用在古時？死唔去和翻生分清楚我分得好清楚啦, 都係結果唔死而已 請問邊個教您該等是現代才定下的法律呀? 你又中左以偏概全既圈套啦。 聖經設下要以偏概全見微知著嘛, 您冇中咩? Luk 16:10 人在最小的事上忠心、在大事上也忠心．在最小的事上不義、在大事上也不義。 到底要知道翻生和死唔去是兩件事來有幾難？？？我還要解釋多少次？ 視乎您有幾多誠意就解釋多少次啦解一次我唔信, 您又再解多次, 解兩次我唔信您又再解多次..........孜孜不倦, 是為有誠意 死一次我唔信, 您又再死多次, 死兩次我唔信您又再死多次..........孜孜不倦, 是為有誠意 若然好似耶穌咁, 死一次就翻生, 收工lu, 升天lu, 是為冇誠意 你去餐廳吃飯，結算時要付一百元。你付了一百元以後服務員說公司有十周年抽獎。你一抽之下抽中了一百元現金獎。所以你又拿了一百元離開餐廳。我仲可唔可以控告你食霸王餐？ 我都唔貪心茄, 此等有賭博成份之行為我係唔會做嘅您都唔好鼓吹青年人博彩啦 | |
"生個聖嬰係女仔仲好 -- 個個月自動有寶血幫我地贖罪, 方便又夠多" 若真係有移鼠其人而又在生, 被激至嘔血, 又可用否? | |
佢好厚面皮, 您激極佢都唔嘔您咪盞搞 生女包保個個月有寶血供應嘛 | |
佢好厚面皮....  | |
回復 33# 沙文 ***都係結果唔死而已*** 你自己都已經講話佢地冇分別, 仲話分到... =.= ***視乎您有幾多誠意就解釋多少次啦解一次我唔信, 您又再解多次, 解兩次我唔信您又再解多次..........孜孜不倦, 是為有誠意 死一次我唔信, 您又再死多次, 死兩次我唔信您又再死多次..........孜孜不倦, 是為有誠意 若然好似耶穌咁, 死一次就翻生, 收工lu, 升天lu, 是為冇誠意*** 問題係我解釋完你都唔肯去明... 所以我先要再講. 耶穌已經成功死過, 點解要再死? ***聖經設下要以偏概全見微知著嘛, 您冇中咩?*** Luk 16:10 人在最小的事上忠心、在大事上也忠心．在最小的事上不義、在大事上也不義。*** 呢句係講:小時偷吉,大時偷金的意思. 以偏概全係講緊確認性偏見. 根本就係兩件事... 你之前的回覆尚有少許邏輯論證, 我都要少少思考才可回答... 你而家講果D根本一眼就睇到有問題... 有冇搞錯呀... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***您試過娶一個醫生被她用現代醫用器材逼供講昨晚點解咁夜返但您守口如瓶, 及後改用古羅馬刑具, 您終於忍唔住招供同Lulu嘅姦情咩?講多尐個人感受我們弟兄分享下啦 ***死咗唔翻生仲難啦 ***我都唔貪心茄, 此等有賭博成份之行為我係唔會做嘅您都唔好鼓吹青年人博彩啦 你呢幾句根本就係對我的朝笑和無理取閙... 毫無邏輯論證可言... 咩叫死左唔翻生仲難? 抽唔抽獎同賭唔賭博和討論主題又有咩關係? 你地成日話D基督徒唔理性, 冇邏輯, 被重就輕, 問非所答... 請問你呢D又係乜? | |
你自己都已經講話佢地冇分別, 仲話分到... =.= 我話結果都係唔死, 冇話冇分別喎 問題係我解釋完你都唔肯去明... 所以我先要再講. 耶穌已經成功死過, 點解要再死? 您解得通我就唔會要您再解, 您解唔通唔通要我話"好啦好啦求求其其算啦"黎就您咩? 耶穌成功翻生了, 即係並非死, 所以要再死 呢句係講:小時偷吉,大時偷金的意思. 以偏概全係講緊確認性偏見. 根本就係兩件事... 小時偷吉,大時偷金又夠係兩件事啦, 聖經就係要確認性偏見嘛 你之前的回覆尚有少許邏輯論證, 我都要少少思考才可回答... 你而家講果D根本一眼就睇到有問題... 有冇搞錯呀... 您就係衰在少少思考, 唔能夠深入 呢幾句根本就係對我的朝笑和無理取閙... 毫無邏輯論證可言... 我對您係朝拜啫, 點解您會誤會係朝笑呢? 若是您根本就未試過現代醫生及古羅馬刑具, 您話古代羅馬佬咖過現代醫生純屬老吹, 您照直講咪得咯, 我地唔會唔原諒您嘛若是您真係未試過, 我俾時間您試完再分享都冇所謂嘅 咩叫死左唔翻生仲難? 死咗唔翻生, 雖則可為世人贖罪, 但耶穌就冇福享, 是故仲難 抽唔抽獎同賭唔賭博和討論主題又有咩關係? 係您監硬要我抽獎嘅, 咁抽唔抽獎同賭唔賭博和討論主題又有咩關係, 您比較清楚 | |
「看一看當時羅馬人發明的刑具, 它們是如何精密, 如何能使人受最大和最長時間的痛苦才死去(甚至乎死不去). 就可以想像到當時一個羅馬兵丁對痛苦和死亡的認知絶有可能比現在的醫生還多.」 醫學水平並不見證在其刑具精密。劊子手不都是學者。發現GERM THEORY,發明疫苗等等的人也是劊子手嗎? 做禮儀師也天天看見死人，但禮儀師並不一定有對痛苦和死亡的高度認知。 更何况羅馬人發明的刑具，並不是羅馬兵丁發明。 -------- 「請看一看羅馬釘十字架的規則」 我是看DISCOVERY 介紹的。 一來你以為有守則便會遵守?做 羅馬兵很好PAY?做 羅馬兵學問高?有獨立監管嗎? 二來你以為那種簡單守則能有效? 你以為當初為何要「死了」仍要補他一矛? -------- 「你去餐廳吃飯，結算時要付一百元。你付了一百元以後服務員說公司有十周年抽獎。你一抽之下抽中了一百元現金獎。所以你又拿了一百元離開餐廳。我仲可唔可以控告你食霸王餐」 可以說你沒有付$。但卻不一定能告食霸王餐，因為餐廳代付了。 | |
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