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希望是真的結束就好了。 | |
還好你仲有自覺,知這是一堆無整理的東西,我就真的不會花時間勒。我唔想咁虚偽咁話 "多謝資料". | |
http://baike.baidu.com/view/4841613.htm 图图大主教说此话的背景~~ 假若你喜欢,我可以转载得更准确些 | |
虚伪已经不足以来形容你了 | |
我個人比較八卦, 不會滿足於甚麼的百度, 維基. 我也找來圖圖主教演講原文 (這裡只引出有關的第一段) RELIGIOUS PERSPECTIVES ON RELIGIOUS HUMAN RIGHTS Religious Human Rights and the Bible by Desmond M. Tutu There is a story, which is fairly well known, about when the missionaries came to Africa. They had the Bible and we, the natives, had the land. They said "Let us pray," and we dutifully shut our eyes. When we opened them, why, they now had the land and we had the Bible. It would, on the surface, appear as if we had struck a bad bargain, but the fact of the matter is that we came out of that transaction a great deal better off than when we started. The point is that we were given a priceless gift in the word of God: the gospel of salvation, the good news of God's love for us that is given so utterly unconditionally. But even more wonderful is the fact that we were given the most subversive, most revolutionary thing around. Those who may have wanted to exploit us and to subject us to injustice and oppression should really not have given us the Bible, because that placed dynamite under their nefarious schemes. ........ 你有無歪曲了他的意思先? (1) 主教不認為這是非洲人一項賠本的交易, 他說:"that we came out of that transaction a great deal better off than when we started. The point is that we were given a priceless gift in the word of God...." 你英文尚好, 我應不用跟你續個字解說. (2) 此段未段也說明給予非洲人聖經的, 與取走非洲人土地的是兩幫不同的人: "Those who may have wanted to exploit us and to subject us to injustice and oppression should really not have given us the Bible" 你, 或貼在百度維基的「作者」斬頭切尾, 斷章取義, 只取幾隻字來完成他們的反基夢, 造些驚世駭俗之論。 更可憐的是被人牽著鼻子走的一班陋儒。 | |
1/。Tutu秉承耶稣嘅阿Q精神,被人打完左边面再俾埋右边面人地打! 2/。Tutu出卖非洲人,做咗『非奸』。为杀族仇人开脱! 3/。明显Tutu讲这番话之前,已经有很多人提出过非洲人被骗之说。所以Tutu才會咁铺排。 | |
我不會為你的「可能」來作無聊互辯, 可能是你受刺激過度 開始胡言亂語。 | |
bbc亦未能幸免!这也是基督徒之正常现象! | |
圖圖主教好似係最出名反對奴隸主義的, 佢致力爭取平等既。 | |
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图图的话可以提示出一个事实~传教士到来后,南非被白人统治, 即使图图不认为这是非洲人一项赔本的交易,也没办法改变这个事实。 并且他认为不是一项赔本的交易,不代表所有人都认为不是一项赔本的交易。 拿圣经来对照你们基督徒一样可以让你们自打嘴巴, 你真喜欢那么较真,基督教历史上的种种恶行还可以找很多出来 | |
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另外发现基督徒真的很喜欢乱下定义,乱扣帽子,乱猜测人 狡辩和蛊惑还不够,还要假装自己站在世间的制高点,擦 | |
不过也感谢BBC的资料,原来这不只是一个非洲人的原话,原来还是一个非洲故事来的,尊重事实,我原先的确不知道,这是一个“which is fairly well known”的故事。 讨论图图的立场的自便,基督教借助圣经传教成为入侵非洲的工具才是这话的本义。 | |
多謝資料=虛偽? 請解釋。 | |
就這一句: 借助圣经传教成为入侵非洲 我又想反問一下你: (1) 殖民地拓展者 (取走非洲人土地的人) 是搭傳教士的順風船才能來到非洲的嗎? 或是 (2)傳教者是搭殖民地拓展者(取走非洲人土地的人)的順風船隊才能到達非洲的嗎? | |
不如你找出來, 我跟你較真哩。 是你要接受教育, 不是我 | |
不過在這裡, 在這件事上, 我的確是比你站得高一點, 所以我看得比你看到的遠一點。 我把我看到的轉告給你而已。 | |
38楼/基督教的恶行,就说下十字远征军先吧 另外,你突然间蹦出个教育这个词,难道真不成当自己是导师了 | |
好哇。。。歡迎。。。 請先出帖 |
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