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 —————————————————— Jewish tradition holds that the first instance of ceremonial cleansing occurred just prior to the giving of the covenant at Mt. Sinai. In Exodus 19:10 The Lord said to Moses, "Go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow, and let them wash their garments." They believe that the consecration and the washing of the garments being mentioned together indicates that both the people and the garments were washed. —————————— 如果耶穌要盡人嘅本分，咁佢又唔結婚生仔?又唔守安息日？  [ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-7-25 14:20 編輯 ] | |
"After Moses had gone down the mountain to the people, he consecrated them, and they washed their clothes, the he said to the people "  repare yourselves for the thirdday. ABSTAIN FROM SEXUAL RELATIONS  ". (Exodus 19: 14-15)洗衫都可以係潔淨嘅意思...不過個人認為出發點同洗禮有少少唔同 (洗衫 = 整好自己儀容 迎"十戒" (Exodus 20 = 頒佈十戒) ；洗禮 = 潔淨自己嘅罪迎"聖靈"入主內心) 我諗呢d都有 少少link到耶穌成日講話自己要黎 "成全" 律法 (i.e. 洗衫 = 外表上的潔淨以及嚴守律法 vs 洗禮 = 內心的潔淨以及獲得自由--不再被罪管轄) 至於安息日，好似係因為耶穌要特登寸d 法利賽人淨係攬住律法做人而特登高調唔守嘅... 亦好似因為咁而令佢地對耶穌動左殺機？ (hee hee我懶 "抄" 聖經...你有興趣嘅就自己搵下 啦... )不過，個人認為上述都只係神學家美化信仰而 "創造" 出黎嘅觀念啫...咁學你話齍，耶穌 又唔結婚生仔，咁佢都冇"完全"體驗何謂做人 (or "造人"...hohoho) 但係神學觀念太難 "拆解" 「耶穌如果有結婚生仔咁點算？？」呢個問題，所以佢地打死都唔會諗呢個idea 架啦... (also see Da Vinci Code...  )死同洗有咩喇lung...洗嗰時浸落水嗰下當自己死左，上番黎咪當復活lor...當然你可以話用 釘十架甚至用張棉胎"冚"住自己再出番黎都冇話唔得，因為都可以象徵 "死亡"，但係冇聖經 back-up嘅論據，就聽俾人 label 異端lor 保羅話要洗你敢唔敢唔洗？[ 本帖最後由 Jennifer 於 2008-7-25 18:27 編輯 ] | |
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d神父同牧師應該都好架... [ 本帖最後由 Step.King 於 2008-7-26 22:12 編輯 ] | |
其實用冲凉代表purify就好多宗教都有，唔知喲猶太佬學边個。我國向來有齋戒沐浴，沐浴係較為慳水環保的，可惜不為大秦景教接納 | |
d神職人員米仲happy~ | |
 If the baptism is set by God as a tradition to follow, so is the Sabath. ----------------- If you wish to know about the Jewish tradition, you have to follow the Jewish intepretation instead of the Christian ones. "According to rabbinical teachings, which dominated even during the existence of the Temple (Pes. viii. 8), Baptism, next to circumcision and sacrifice, was an absolutely necessary condition to be fulfilled by a proselyte to Judaism (Yeb. 46b, 47b; Ker. 9a; 'Ab. Zarah 57a; Shab. 135a; Yer. Kid. iii. 14, 64d). " ----------------------- no "Consecration is the solemn dedication to a special purpose or service, usually religious. The word "consecration" literally means "setting apart." Persons, places, or things can be consecrated, and the term is used in various ways by different groups." Even from Christian Catholic theology "Consecration, in general, is an act by which a thing is separated from a common and profane to a sacred use, or by which a person or thing is dedicated to the service and worship of God by prayers, rites, and ceremonies. " Or from Dictionary "Consecrate - dedicated to a sacred purpose" --------------- Lastly, from KJV 19:15 And he said unto the people, Be ready against the third day: come not at [your] wives. Apparently 'wives' are replaced with 'sex' in later version  Also Also, 19:15 is only refering to 19:11 from how the text is written in KJV 19:11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai. Apparently God is not interested in seeing their wives evening after everyone get consecrated by baptism. [ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2008-7-26 23:42 編輯 ] | |
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個牧師又唔駛走咁多場 ~ | |
您講到啲女教友好似一定要陪訓咁，事實上並非如此嘛 有些堅持保持貞潔的女教友，教會係絕不會强迫佢地做佢地做唔願意做嘅事嘛 例如，我老婆就未試過 情况咁複雜，好難安排嘛 | |
我都係道出佢地唔敢上面既agenda jey... 其實咁做都有好處丫...男會員數字可能會暴升...教中姊妹米可以唔駛再愁law |
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