在新年前，收到一位中學同學的電郵，在電郵中她告訴我在去年她已經放棄了信仰。這個消息，實在令我感到很突然及可惜，心中不斷在尋問和猜想，究竟是甚麼原因令她放棄信仰呢？是因為身體的情況嗎(因為她是一位長期病患者)？因為工作不如意？還是因為......千百種的理由在我腦中盤旋，在寫這篇文章時，我仍在等候同學的回覆。 或許在我們的周遭，也同樣有認識的人曾經相信主，但又離開主。主耶穌就曾經講過撒種的比喻，相信我們也很熟悉這比喻的內容。每次我讀這比喻時，仍感覺相當真實，很認同耶穌的教導。當我們的信仰根基不深，就很容易被其他事物奪去了神的位置；當受到患難逼迫，很容易會跌倒；當受生活的憂慮及錢財的迷惑，信仰會會停滯，不能結出果實。惟有落在好土裏的，才能結出果子。的確，要堅持信仰，並不是容易的事，惟有經常在主的愛中，被主的話語激勵和提醒，並有弟兄姊妹的看顧守望，生命才能得以健康成長，為主結出果子。 雖然不知道同學的光境如何，但我對這位同學仍存盼望，也為她默默禱告，願慈悲的父憐憫，讓她早日回歸天父慈愛的身邊。也願兄姊們能繼續堅守信仰，彼此守望，在上水堂裏一同成長，為主結出三十倍、六十倍、一百倍的果子。 宣教師以撒種作比喻，我也以泥足深陷作比喻。 當小童剛見到一個泥灘的時候，看見可愛的小生物，有走得很快的小蟹、動作趣緻的彈塗魚等，小童很喜歡這些生物，於是一步步地泥沼之中，希望可以捉在掌心把玩。 可是，小童卻忘記了自己身在這個泥灘，當越行越入時，泥沼把小童的雙腳陷入了，他無法自行步出泥灘，越掙扎就只有越來越深入。 有些人因為看見這個宗教的糖衣包裝，以為是美好和值得追隨，不料卻蠶蝕了自己的思想、時間、金錢，得不償失，而且難以自拔。 奉勸一些教牧人士，不必再向離教者惺惺作態、表達惋惜的態度了，也無須再為離教者禱告了。所謂「人各有志」，每個人都有權利選擇自己的思想，曾是基督徒只是一個過客身分而已。毛蟲脫變後，就會破繭而出成為美麗的蝴蝶，但總要看看那人希望成為毛蟲、抑或是蝴蝶罷了。 離教者之家網主 抽刀斷水 謹上 | |
1. Just like smoking, many people believe in Christianity by pursuation from friends, family members, etc. 2. It is difficult for people wants to get away from the religion. Just like smoking is addictive. 3. Even if people wants to get away from the religion, it is difficult to implement it. At least, not much people are dared to say that they are "ex-christians". Just like people will feel uncomfortable when they start to avoid smoking. 4. But yet, quitting is still possible, just like there are still some "ex-smokers" smoke no more. People could quit for different reasons, and the decision of quitting is finally the decision of the people themselves, no other people could quit for them. However, with the help of others, they would be in better position to quit, if they want to. For smoking, encouragement from family could help the smokers quit. For the Christians, they could be more comfortable in quitting if they find that they are not alone, and there are some people who support them. Would this an appropriate analogy? | |
 正如很多人都認為宗教是精神鴉片，用毒品、煙、酒這類能成癮的物品來比喻實在是十分恰當。  | |
原帖由 抽刀斷水 於 2008-1-31 12:35 發表 ye may b better2forgive her//him , s/he may b a paid clergyman to say something like that , s/he should////must say that , otherwise , s/he may b fired | |
原帖由 weakest 於 2008-1-31 23:36 發表 However, with the help of others, they would be in better position toquit, if they want to. For smoking, encouragement from family couldhelp the smokers quit. For the Christians, they could be morecomfortable in quitting if they find that they are not alone, and thereare some people who support them. there4 , our home 's here , ThANKs 2 God , chinese God , guan-yin e.t.c. you are not alone , we are not alone , really , indeed , indeep , i should not ThANK any God , but , rather , i should not ThANK y'all ,  [ 本帖最後由 prussianz 於 2008-2-1 01:44 編輯 ] | |
如果個個耶徒教牧都做到你咁諗,佢地既會產又點會追得上樓市,買得起咁大個單位做會址呢,好多人會無飯開,好陰公果喎. 雖然,呢度幾乎係人都聽過睇過耶經既四大金剛經都提到阿蘇哥當日都無乜話要叫人拖人入會,個個都係姜太公釣魚;但呢度大部份人都明白,D虛構人物誇張情節係小既賣點黎之嘛,無話要學到足架,求其數齊人頭收齊奉獻咯,理得佢年關好中秋好,有人難過有人愁關人隱士,自己有糧出字頭有花紅咪算囉. 人生在世,回歸到最原點,都係呃兩餐苦飯喫吓咁啫. | |
利用教徒的羊群、空虛、恐懼、同情等心理，控制他人以謀利益，莊少你咁都睇得過眼的話，係你人生閱歷夠豐富，而我仲係未夠成熟，衝動左Ｄ。  | |
有人話呢度既人反基反到無晒理智,我聽到之後都諗咗好耐;但我諗黎諗去都只係得同你同一個結論,做人為乜要咁低聲下氣,每時每分都要攞一個唔存在既體位黎過穚.如果要包容埋呢類咁反智既野先叫有理智既,自問我就理智唔黎嘞.但如果掉返轉頭諗,係因為佢地唔咁樣搵食就無路可行的話,就好似一個低能既去控制一班嚴重弱智既去行乞,而你又見到佢地越黎越黔驢技窮,無所不施極的話,有好多時你只會為之感嘆,惻隱之心亦隨之浮現. 算啦,佢地唔係咁樣去混飯食,唔通你叫班教牧轉行去做保安,用阿老耶既話語去說服班賊唔好做案咩? | |
我們現下以理性的批判手腕, 傳承於西方, 這種對真理的追求方式, 和基督教對上帝的概念有著千絲萬縷的關係, 人類心裡所傳有的, 沒有上帝的觀念, 其實也是源於上帝的反動... | |
獨立的思考, 及開明清晰的觀念, 開始對自我及宗教的質疑, 也是源於基督教對真理的追求的熱切... (哲學之始源於希臘, 也是思考造物主、世界的由來、人生存的意義和價值... 中世紀的哲學更是寄存於神學之中, 現代哲學一大部份也仍是對造物主的概念有關連的批判) 我們現下應用的理性批判手腕, 也是傳承於西方, 這種對真理的追求方式, 和基督教對上帝的概念有著千絲萬縷的關係, 人類心裡所傳有的 - - 沒有上帝的觀念, 其實也是源於對上帝的反動... | |
啲希臘佬同此處一位阿婆版友都係錯嘅，大家千祈咪學佢地 要學就學一賜樂業佬 --訓著覺覺豬，發夢見到條樓梯，邪儍瑕自我介紹話，我係你阿爺個神，又係你老豆個神......其他有咩冇咩，唔駛諗嘅。您估您真係酥格嘞底咩？ | |
 )Plato (or Socrates, a character in Plato's work) 講要以reason 為主. 亦講過analogy of cave, 以太陽作比喻, 講metaphysical reality. 但就係無聽過Plato 係信基督教wor....定係呢個"基督教"係信"太陽神"架?  | |
原帖由 Guest from 219.76.240.x 於 2008-2-2 16:04 發表 Philosophy really involves many things. And this include some metaphysical questions (about the reality). But this metaphysical questions may or may not related to 造物主. For example, for Thales, everything is water. But would this related to 造物主? Yes, philosophy was within 神學. But would this because of the religious intolerance of Christianity, and the power of Christianity in Europe (of course, I don't deny that it is possible for some people wants to prove the existance of God simply because they truly belief in God)? Otherwise, how come J. Locke's "A Letter Concerning Toleration"? Well, thinking about religion is a part of philosophy. But I really doubt if this is a "major" part in philosophy now. After all, it is simply a matter of the interest of the researchers in the field of philosophy... 原帖由 Guest from 219.76.240.x 於 2008-2-2 16:04 發表 Sorry, I really don't understand what you are talking about in this (seemingly incomplete) sentence... | |
原帖由 weakest 於 2008-2-2 05:14 發表 | |
原帖由 Guest from 219.76.240.x 於 2008-2-2 16:04 發表 ...sorry,識諗呢d野既重有唔少我國既哲學家,唔係希臘既先識.斷估老細你都有聽過乜野叫做千字文,小學程度架咋,唔駛咁深啦.如果千字文都唔知,重簡單d有天九牌入面既"天地人我"就經已講晒中華哲學源頭:"天氣,地勢,人群,自身",呢個就唔識字既都識. 人地既哲學對乜我就唔知,我自己既一大部份都係對生活,好簡單架咋.正等如你會明白去洗手間開大要除褲先係因為你試過無除會一褲都係之嘛,唔通係果個moment你又批判上天下地點解唔幫你除定褲又或者點解唔生你出黎有條喉咩?呢d咪係你所講既哲學既源頭囉,我諗只有真係神智好唔清醒既人先會去洗手間開大唔除褲掛. 唔係人心裡面有無老耶呢個摡念,只係本來無老耶,但失驚無神有幾條茂利仆出黎話呢個世界有老耶同佢地係老耶既代表黎呃飯食,之後d人就本住埋大堆呢個群居動物既習性就信埋一份啫.老細你講既係有意無意將老耶定咗位,跟手就乜都話關佢事.sorry,多少年代新教天主兩大派對幾多科學家進行過迫害?又或者運用其影響力對反其道既思想進行壓制?如果真係有老耶既,咁老耶本身都好反智,科技/知識/哲學本身係無好與壞之分,只係在乎人點利用既啫.但老耶班靚就只會著眼於字頭既利益去決定某種科技/知識/哲學 重有,理批判手腕唔係方獨有既,你睇下老荀一出就係人性本惡,分明就係反人類式既批判. 唔好乜野都將你自己果套質落人度,唔一定每個人都係你,你既思想方向亦未必感染到其他人,"我們"呢個terms,小心d用好. | |
By the way, I am totally ignorant about 天九. It is so difficult for me.... | |
天即係天氣,包含左廿四氣節,係一個主要從事初級生產的社會,睇天做人尤其重要. 地即係地勢,除左東南西北之外,亦包今左易經中既六十四卦;天氣之後,就梗係要睇環境啦. 人既係人關係,所以包含左中國傳統儒家思想既:仁義忠信禮廉恥智是非羞惡惻隱辭讓,但其中缺"孝",我總覺得似乎係闡述有誤.但未考究到當中的原委,遲下有時間再搵搵.人際關係無論係舊時代到現代社會亦係人生存不可或缺既一環. "我",呢隻牌有多個不同叫法,大部份人叫"鵝",其中一派既講法係"和"既音誤,意思係將天地人三個因素通和(...organization?)既意思,"天時地利人和"呢句話亦係由天九中演化出黎既.但我自己就比較傾向另一個比較舊既學說,其實係"我"既音誤,即係話又天又地又人咁,黎黎去去其實都只係講緊"自己"要生存,就好好利用同洞悉呢幾方面,亦同時講明左生存中各種因素既不同既重要性,亦即係"天地人我". 但如果真係要賭,都唔係太難既.下面有個link你可以參考吓.但我最鍾意天九好似做人咁,理所當然係"天地為大",但亦都可以"人力勝天".好過癮架! http://hk.geocities.com/alan_cyf/sky9/doc-cn.html | |
而鬼佬彈古琴，又可以係中國音樂家 | |
原帖由 Jom 於 2008-2-3 17:02 發表 "我",呢隻牌有多個不同叫法,大部份人叫"鵝",其中一派既講法係"和"既音誤,意思係將天地人三個因素通和(...organization?)既意思,"天時地利人和"呢句話亦係由天九中演化出黎既.但我自己就比較傾向另一個比較舊既學說,其實係"我"既音誤,即係話又天又地又人咁,黎黎去去其實都只係講緊"自己"要生存,就好好利用同洞悉呢幾方面,亦同時講明左生存中各種因素既不同既重要性,亦即係"天地人我". the mother tongue of my fosterring mother , ````````` 围头話''''''''' does pronounce "我" as "鵝" , that may not b a kind o' 音誤 , may b an outcome of influence of dialects , | |
原帖由 Jom 於 2008-2-3 17:02 發表 ThANKs , 't happens that i do also want2learn something about 天九 @round 'the time being , n'o , no , not4賭 , just for those 哲學 as u described above |
