究竟上帝在創世之前:
1. 世界未出現,祂身在哪裡?
2. 祂有什麼事情做?
3. 為何決定在那個時刻創世,而不是之前或之後? |
| 係咪應該break down三位各自有什麼事情做?其實佢哋係分頭行動㗎 |
本帖最後由 旁觀者 於 2025/12/6 22:55 編輯
妖徒會答︰以人類有限嘅智慧,怎能了解無窮「上主」嘅安排﹖
如魔幻紀所言, 那没有看見就信, 是「智慧」嘅開始. |
回覆 1# 抽刀斷水
問得3就代表你唔了解物理學啦。 |
| 4. 猶太佬有咩好?點解嗰陣全世界咁多人之中要揀佢哋?係咪問過曬其他人, 冇人肯做呢? |
回覆 抽刀斷水
問得3就代表你唔了解物理學啦。
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/12/6 23:22 
原來宗教要用物理學來解釋,但只拋一句,又唔知係咪真係解釋到,可能霍金都想知。 |
正正經經問慕道問題,無教徒有正面回應,隔離基督徒切勿開此帖,基督徒就傾個不亦樂乎。 |
| 你自己捉唔到佢地嘅亞當情意結啫,下次試下此法啦 |
回覆 6# 抽刀斷水
咁可能我講得武斷左啲囉,你創世個"世",係指地球定宇宙定成個space time fabric定聖經果個shâmayim shâmeh 'erets呀?定別有所指? |
| 哦,呢度係基督宗教討論區,跟基督教既意思啦。 |
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咁好簡單啫,基督教係相信上帝創造時空嘛,所以
1. 世界未出現,祂身在哪裡?
2. 祂有什麼事情做?
3. 為何決定在那個時刻創世,而不是之前或之後?
1. 未出現,係牽涉時間㗎嘛,時間都冇,問題咪唔成立囉。
2. 世界未出現有什麼事情做,係牽涉時間㗎嘛,時間都冇,問題咪唔成立囉。
3. 那個時刻/之前/之後,咁時空之外係冇時間作參考㗎嘛,牽涉時間但時間都冇,問題咪唔成立囉。
就算退返去物理學,宇宙模型裡面時間都係由大爆炸開始㗎啦,討論大爆炸"之前"喺物理學上都係冇意義㗎啦。 |
聖經有講過上帝創造「時空」架咩?你回答1-3係專指時間,「上帝創造時間」在聖經哪裡有講呢?
物理學有時空概念,霍金既時間簡史我都略讀過,但依家係慕道時間而唔係物理學知識交流小組。 |
聖經有講過上帝創造「時空」架咩?你回答1-3係專指時間,「上帝創造時間」在聖經哪裡有講呢?
抽刀斷水 發表於 2025/12/9 01:15  跟基督教既意思啦。
抽刀斷水 發表於 2025/12/8 10:25 
跟係你話跟基督教意思㗎,我三口六面問清楚晒你係指地球定宇宙定成個space time fabric定聖經果個shâmayim shâmeh 'erets㗎啦。
咁你宜家講得清楚未?你問創世個"世"係乜啫?
問你你又模棱兩可,答完你又講返轉頭,扭扭擰擰成條女咁,去邊度食飯呀是旦啦醉瓊樓好唔好太貴意大利好唔好太滯韓國炸雞好唔好太熱氣麥當勞好唔好太cheap咁你話事啦乜你咁冇主見㗎。你咁低效,梗係冇人鍾意同你討論啦。 |
本帖最後由 beebeechan 於 2025/12/9 02:43 編輯
聖經有講過上帝創造「時空」架咩?
抽刀斷水 發表於 2025/12/9 01:15 
創世紀的第一句:在起初 in the beginning..
就是創造出時間喇。 |
究竟上帝在創世之前:
1. 世界未出現,祂身在哪裡?
2. 祂有什麼事情做?
3. 為何決定在那個時刻創世,而 ...
抽刀斷水 發表於 2025/12/6 13:25 
你呢啲問題都幾白痴吓囉。
好比莎士比亞名劇《王子復仇記》中既王子,問莎士比亞做緊乜?點解要寫呢個劇本? |
shâmayim shâmeh 'erets
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/12/9 01:47 
我讀書少,淨係識一啲中文同些少英文,我唔識呢啲外文,所以唔能夠話「啱呀,呢個就係基督教所講既創世呀」,我只能夠話我指既「創世」係跟基督教既意思,你認為跟基督教既意思就係shâmayim shâmeh 'erets,咁你可以晌呢方面發揮。
請問咁講清楚未? |
你呢啲問題都幾白痴吓囉。
好比莎士比亞名劇《王子復仇記》中既王子,問莎士比亞做緊乜?點解要寫呢 ...
beebeechan 發表於 2025/12/9 02:58 
如果莎士比亞劇中王子,角色被設計成可以同原作者溝通,我諗王子都可以問下掛?慕道問下問題都被人說成白痴,即係唔鼓勵他人慕道既啫。
今次我都無問創作動機,係問有咩觸發到佢晌嗰一刻黎創作,而唔係之前或之後。 |
創世紀的第一句:在起初 in the beginning..
就是創造出時間喇。
beebeechan 發表於 2025/12/9 02:32 
成句係:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
如果上帝係創造時間,就應該咁寫:God created the beginning, the heaven and the earth.
但係呢句God係順住個beginning先做create既,即係佢唔係創造時間,而係等起初既時間到(beginning)先create the heaven and the earth。
c.f. In the beginning I made a mistake. 唔通我又創造咗時間? |
回覆 16# 抽刀斷水
請問咁講清楚未?
抽刀斷水 發表於 2025/12/9 11:49  基督教係相信上帝創造時空嘛
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/12/8 18:43 
請問我一早講得清唔清楚? |
回覆 抽刀斷水
請問我一早講得清唔清楚?
jimmychauck 發表於 2025/12/9 16:50 
跟進問題未回答清楚:聖經有講過上帝創造「時空」架咩?你回答1-3係專指時間,「上帝創造時間」在聖經哪裡有講呢? |
回覆 20# 抽刀斷水
上帝介紹自己係"I AM"吖嘛,hayah asher hayah 吖嘛,中文咪譯自有永有,永有嘅野就spacetime fabric裡面揾唔到嘅,時空又其實係四維,上帝又係有預定,咁個結論咪創"世"個世係時空,包埋時間囉。
呢啲係成堆學者好多年解經嘅共識,你有時間咪探討吓囉,但又鬼叫你唔再睇聖經?你係咪認為你以前睇左十幾年宜家記憶又開始差啦但係就準確過晒咁多人睇?
Q:where in the scripture it claimed that God also created time? from which or how many intertrepretations was this conclusion arrived? is there different interpretations amongst protestants?
A:The concept that God created time is primarily a theological and philosophical conclusion drawn from scripture rather than a single, explicit verse that says, "God created time."
1. Scriptural Basis for the ConclusionThe conclusion that God created time is primarily derived from passages that describe: The logical conclusion drawn from these verses is that since God existed before the "beginning" of all things (Genesis 1:1) and exists in a realm called "eternity" (Isaiah 57:15) where human time is relative or non-existent (2 Peter 3:8), He must have created time as part of the created order—the universe beginning in time. 2. Interpretations Among ProtestantsYes, there are different interpretations amongst Protestants regarding God's relationship to time, specifically concerning the creation account and God's nature: [td]| View | Summary | Key Interpretation of Time | | Traditional/Classical Theism (Dominant View) | God is Timeless (Atemporal). He exists outside the constraints of created time, seeing all moments (past, present, future) simultaneously. | God created time as a dimension of the physical universe, and He is its transcendent Creator. This is the most common philosophical and theological view. | | Process/Open Theism | God is Temporal (Omnitemporal). He exists within time and experiences events sequentially, just like creation, though His duration is "everlasting" (no beginning or end). | God did not create time itself, but He has always existed in it. The concept of God "learning" or "changing His mind" in scripture (e.g., Jeremiah 3:6-7) is taken literally. | | Young-Earth Creationism (Literal Days) | Genesis 1 describes six literal 24-hour days. This is the most literalistic interpretation of the creation account's chronology. | Time began at creation and the six days are literal, physical measurements of time, often cited using Exodus 20:11 which compares the human work week to God's creation week. | | Old-Earth Creationism (Day-Age Theory) | The "days" in Genesis 1 are long, figurative epochs (long periods of time) rather than literal 24-hour periods. | Time began at creation, but the duration of the creation events spanned billions of years, aligning with geological evidence. |
The key debate often revolves around the classical idea of divine timelessness vs. divine temporality, which directly impacts whether one concludes that God created time or has simply always existed in it. Would you like me to elaborate on the difference between the Timeless (Atemporal) and Temporal (Omnitemporal) views of God? |